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Sunday, August 5, 2007

immortal1 & Miles talk on comments....

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The Creators August 5th, 2007 at 7:38 am
Thanks for all your nice comments. I hope you like the new site. I think it’s sweet. We’ll be upgrading the KateModern page as well.

Did you know you can add video responses? Click on “Edit Profile” just beneath the pink box with your username on the control panel just to the right of the latest video.

Enter your YouTube username in the field beneath the fields for your age and sex.

That’s it! Then you can add video responses by clicking “add yours” on the flash widget next to the comments and select the video you want to add. Of course, you need to upload your videos to YouTube first.

I’d love to see your videos! I really like all the characters and storylines you’ve created and with all the emotion surrounding Bree’s death I think it will help to share your feelings with the community.

Cheers!

Miles
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The Creators August 5th, 2007 at 7:44 am
Greg has been managing the T-Shirt competition. I’m not sure the exact status, but Broken Kid or Greg will know. I’ll ask Greg to post something as soon as he can. I can’t wait to see the winning designs!

Miles
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The Creators August 5th, 2007 at 9:22 am
You’re welcome, Monte! I feel just as lucky and excited to be part of this too. This past year has been an amazing time for creative people. The internet is such an incredible platform for storytelling.

Miles
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The Creators August 5th, 2007 at 9:35 am
Hey Sarahboo! Hehehehe, I am a Harry Potter fan but I only read the first few books. I was slagging away in med school and surgery internship so I didn’t have time to read the others… so MEGA SPOILER if I find out the ending

I don’t think there’s much hope but I’m gonna try not to find out how it all turned out.

Miles
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The Creators August 5th, 2007 at 11:23 am
lonelygirl15 needs to stay independent from KateModern even though they are in the LG15 Universe and there may be some crossing over. Kate is produced and run in London (I’m there/here now), and lonelygirl15 is produced/run in LA. So… they are separate. I think you’ll be excited by lonelygirl15 Season 2 AND you’ll love where KM is headed.

Because the shows are interactive and we do live events we want as many countries as possible to have their own “local” LG15. So… expect more interactivity and live events as we continue to have more and more resources.

Miles
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The Creators August 5th, 2007 at 11:23 am
lonelygirl15 needs to stay independent from KateModern even though they are in the LG15 Universe and there may be some crossing over. Kate is produced and run in London (I’m there/here now), and lonelygirl15 is produced/run in LA. So… they are separate. I think you’ll be excited by lonelygirl15 Season 2 AND you’ll love where KM is headed.

Because the shows are interactive and we do live events we want as many countries as possible to have their own “local” LG15. So… expect more interactivity and live events as we continue to have more and more resources.

Miles
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The Creators August 5th, 2007 at 11:32 am
Hey Everyone,

Just so you know, the video responses ARE working. Please upload them! We’re approving them by hand so it may take a little while to show up…

Here’s how you do it… spread the word!

Click on “Edit Profile” just beneath the pink box with your username on the control panel just to the right of the latest video.

Enter your YouTube username in the field beneath the fields for your age and sex.

That’s it! Then you can add video responses by clicking “add yours” on the flash widget next to the comments and select the video you want to add. Of course, you need to upload your videos to YouTube first.

I’d love to see your videos! I really like all the characters and storylines you’ve created and with all the emotion surrounding Bree’s death I think it will help to share your feelings with the community.

Miles
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The Creators
August 5th, 2007 at 11:43 am

Thanks MarysCool, me too.

My dad thought that the death of Little Nell was a good analogy to what we are all going through, both for me as a writer and for everyone who loved this character:

http://www.perryweb.com/Dickens/work_curiosity.shtml

I think he’s right.

Miles
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immortal1
August 5th, 2007 at 12:10 pm
Hey Miles-

I think some amazing things came out of 12 in 12 that make me excited about what you guys can do in the future. I really thought Nikki B was going to pied piper fans throughout the day making them apart of the story. Sort of a traveling live audience.

I’m sure you expected extreme reactions regarding Bree’s death. I think for many of us its not that she died but HOW she died. “Bree, like so many pure and fragile things, could not survive in this harsh reality that we must face every day.” As I’ve said in the forum is this the message that we really want to send to all those girls who Bree became a role model for? The Order can be a metaphor for everything in life we can’t control. The way to fight the Order is to endure it, survive it, not giving it the satisfaction of succumbing to it.

I think the only way Bree’s death can mean anything is to acknowledge the way she chose to deal with her situation left her dead and if anyone handles it the way she did they will die. There is no honor in death. That’s a lie we tell ourselves to make us feel better. There is no good way to go because in the end you’re still gone.

I do have to say it’s great that you’re here playing grief counselor. It was needed and appreciated.

-immo
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The Creators
August 5th, 2007 at 1:00 pm

Immortal1, lonelygirl15 is indeed an allegory for life. It’s about our struggle as children against our parents, our desire and need to find our own way, and our struggle against the harsh world that attacks us once we leave the safety of childhood. That struggle is filled with days when we win and days when we lose. That’s life. Our heroes are struggling against the Order, a vast, international society that represents the chaos and evil in the world. In that struggle, Bree is a martyr who will hopefully force our characters to make a crucial decision. Do they soldier on or do they give up? We make that decision every day in our lives. I made that decision during my surgery internship, and I make it every day running this show. Bree’s story is one of many. She may have died, but the Resistance will never die. This is a metaphor for life. We may fail sometimes, but we must never give up. You’ve only seen the season finale… the story still continues… the allegory is not complete.

Miles “a poet and he don’t know it” Beckett
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immortal1
August 5th, 2007 at 2:38 pm

Miles-
“Do they soldier on or do they give up? We make that decision every day in our lives.” And what compels us to soldier on? Hope and Faith (not the TV show.) Hope that tomorrow will turn out a little better than today and faith that it eventually will.

2 lines from the finale really struck me:
-”And I can’t possibly quit on her when there’s just a little bit of hope. How could you ask me to do that? Seriously, I mean, what if it was you?”
-”Whatever we had on our side, it was never gonna be enough - I mean, we’re just a bunch of kids! ”

That last line probably resonated with every fan. It’s that moment where we realize there are things out there bigger than us and no matter what we do, it will never be enough. It’s the same realization Bree came to but she didn’t soldier on, so why should they? Why should we?

And so now you have to restore the hope and faith in your characters. If you do that, you’ll restore it in your fans because we can’t possibly quit when there’s just a little bit of hope.

9 comments:

  1. Hey creators, you probably shouldn't put too much time and effort into the new site, let alone the series at all. People are fed up, perturbed, and all around disappointed they invested this much of themselves in your series just to have it all end. You guys are horrible plot writers, the way it ended is such a testament to that as well. You made the entire last part of that story arc focused on saving bree only to kill her in 30 seconds because you're lazy. Good job.

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  2. Hey creators, you probably shouldn't put too much time and effort into the new site, let alone the series at all. People are fed up, perturbed, and all around disappointed they invested this much of themselves in your series just to have it all end. You guys are horrible plot writers, the way it ended is such a testament to that as well. You made the entire last part of that story arc focused on saving bree only to kill her in 30 seconds because you're lazy. Good job.

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  3. I will give season 2 a week. If they are good, great, I'll be watching. If they suck, I will probably never watch again.

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  4. wow, the 443 anonymous is upset, bigtime! The creators botched the finale bigtime.

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  5. Have you guys even READ what Miles has been saying?

    They had some great writing; the characters are REALLY deep.

    Look at the depth of the characters! Taylor, for example, seemed so innocent and like she really wanted to help Bree, but all she wanted was adventure (and Jonas). Sarah was 'competing' with Bree for attention from Daniel, despite her assurances early on that she did not care about love and just wanted to have fun. Bree, the sweet, innocent girl vlogging in her room, manipulated her friends so that she could give up because she was sick of running. Instead of helping save the other girls, she gave in because she couldn't do it anymore and satisfied her guilt by pushing the mission onto Jonas and Daniel--both of whom have just been seriously hurt. Daniel has been reduced to 'just the friend,' and Jonas never got closure with his relationship with Bree. Will they carry on Bree's mission after she left them?

    Of course, the actions of the Order were selfish--they (essentially) just wanted Bree so that a bunch of old guys could live--but so were those of the 'good guys.' They all were working towards their own motives; even Spencer (so far our most undeveloped character, though there is tons of room for growth) seems like he's doing what he's doing because he feels obliged--carrying on his Dad's mission.

    This kind of character depth is IMPRESSIVE.

    Yes, there are enough loose ends to knit a scarf. Yes, the storylines sometimes get a bit ridiculous. Sometimes, the show slips.

    But through it all, LG15 has managed to create a world of its own and fill it with a variety of deep characters. It has created a comical, horrific, compelling story that keeps thousands of us tuning in every week. It has created a character so lovable that we refuse to accept not only her death, but also her weaknesses and selfish actions. Instead of letting ourselves believe that our lovable science-disprover is selfish and manipulative, we blame the writers.

    Near the end of the season finale, Taylor states that Bree's fate was inevitable, because they were just a bunch of kids. What a bold statement for a character to make! Is there hope? Are there things that we just can't overcome?

    This is good entertainment, but on top of that there's a surprisingly large amount of material to discuss. Motivations! Plot points! Metaphors! Yes, it has at times sputtered, but ultimately it has kept us watching.

    And I promise you, Creators--despite all the anonymous people who are pissed about Bree's death--we are still watching. Because Bree's death does not mean the end of the story, the characters, and the world. Unlike Taylor, we believe that anything can be done--even continuing LG15 without Bree.

    ~Rekidk

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  6. Thank you so much for that kind and well thought out comment, it means a lot to me.

    Miles

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  7. Yes, that was a great comment, idk. Miles, if you're still reading this, I didn't deal with Bree's death much better than anyone else, but thanks for explaining her choice so well. Yes, she was manipulating the others in a way, but it was for the sake of saving a lot of other people, not just to be manipulative. I think she believed she was dying so that a lot of other girls would live. We'll see. (I must say, though, as a nurse, that that was not a convincing death, esp. compared to the very realistic stabbings of the Shadow and Jonas. My husband is an internist, maybe you can consult with him on the non-traumatic deaths sometime ;-> (just kidding!)

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  8. Miles and I have had these exchanges before and I think you can see they aren't confrontational. I want lg15 to not only establish the standard for the medium but set it high. Getting a reaction, positive or negative it better than no reaction at all. If the day were to come when the fans were ever exasperated to the point where they throw their hands up and walk away rather than respond, that's the day to worry. I don't believe people are being negative just to be negative.

    People genuinely liked 3/4 of the finale but are talking about the last 1/4. What that says to me is that if they successfully transition into season 2 in such a way that the last 1/4 makes more sense to us, then in a year from now people will be listing the finale among their favorite episodes.

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  9. Oops, August 6, 2007 3:39 PM is me, immortal1!

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