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milo's makes this highly unauthorized early summary of what is flying around the comment board:
ReplyDeletescarlette and her friend "dan" never existed.
the whole death was a hoax (don't buy into the 'social experiment' lingo, its a hoax, people)
people behind it apparently included "dutchess" whoever that is.
i was doing some searching on this topic today, and was very suspicious that scarlette ever existed, so it seems she didn't
It should be noted that, after dozens of comments, there is still no name, no link, no recording, nothing. So far, there are just detailed accusations.
ReplyDeleteOne should keep in mind that it's entirely within the realm of possibilities that the social experiment was not "would they believe there was a suicide?" but "would they believe it never happened?".
I'm not saying these accusations are untrue. I'm just saying that dead people can't go "hey! I'm really dead!". So it's on montelac and his supporters to provide evidence, and so far, all they have is a long story.
Wait with your judgement. Don't jump to conclusions.
i respectfully disagree with renegade. there was never strong proof that scarlette ever existed to begin with. don't accept that she did without proof either.
ReplyDeletecomment board user "dutchess" introduced hummdinger (dan) as her old HS friend on the comment boards around 4 girls 1 cup in feb 2008. dutchess was an old comment board regular who seemed to appear just for the purpose of introducing dan.
scarlette (buttercup) registered at lg15.com on march 3. by march 27 she was claimed to be dead. she only posted on a few videos.
scarlette and dan's myspaces disappeared a few days ago. dan had completely different pictures of himself on myspace and this.by.us (where he also had an account).
the admins at lg15.com, however, should have access to the IP logs for each post to determine if buttercup / dutchess / hummdinger all post from the same IPs. it would be a useful piece of evidence to know about.
See, this is one of the many downsides to the internet. I often think to myself, when I die, will people know? Or will they think I've just left the forums? It's horrible to think that someone has all these friends on the internet, and one day they could die, and no-one would know. And even if they did, with hoaxes and stories, and pranks like this going around the internet, would anyone believe it if it was true.
ReplyDeleteSorry if this didnt make sense it's like 5:30 in the morning
What a one-two punch to the throat of the community...
ReplyDeleteThe sad thing, now that if anything REALLY does happen to a member of the community the doubts formed by TJ and Scarlette will always be a nagging doubt in the back of everyone's head.
This is truly a shame. Truly.
Jenna, that made perfect sense.
ReplyDeleteas pointed out to me by a wise community member, today is a joyous day.
ReplyDeletetwo people in the lg15 community are NOT dead.
Wow. Wow, wow, wow.
ReplyDeleteNot to sound cynical milo but, only ONE is not dead.
ReplyDeleteThe other NEVER existed.
Also... I noticed that your glass is half empty. XD
Wow. This is fucking sick. I've studied psychology, and if these people were so interested in "social experimentation" they should have done some goddamn research.
ReplyDeleteWitnessing suicide is a trigger for other depressed people. I know way more about this than I should, and I prefer not to go into detail as to how I know, but I hope that my established membership here will be enough for people to trust my words.
Let's just say suicide isn't an unfamiliar subject for me.
If anyone were truly suffering from emotional instability or mental illness, this could have triggered it and caused them to hurt themselves or even worse.
A girl we were friendly with killed herself when I was 17, and 2 months later, my best friend followed her. She wrote in her suicide letter that she only worked up the courage because of the earlier incident.
Unless you're willing to take responsibility for the potential harm of others because of your interest in emotional sensitivity, I suggest you do not follow in these people's footsteps.
I am SERIOUSLY pissed off.
I think I just lost a lot of my faith in humanity.
Bye.
Okay I regret that comment already.
ReplyDeleteBlah.
Come to think of it, I did find it strange that the only people mourning Scarlette's death on her myspace were lg15 people.
Loretta, i think your concerns are shared by a lot of people here.
ReplyDeletePlease note, that if anyone ever needs someone to talk to there is a Crisis Hotline link in the top right of this blogspot.
Of course there is, but if someone truly wants to die, they probably won't take the chance of being talked out of it.
ReplyDeleteI was so sad to find out about Scarlette even though I'd never heard of her in my life. :(
ReplyDeleteI guess I should be happy that no one really died here.
Can we stop faking deaths now?
Come to think of it, I thought that her whole back story as Modelmotion posted somewhere was a tad attention grabbing to the point where I thought it was kind of suspicious.
ReplyDeleteI guess she had supposedly lost her family at 15 or something and pretty much had to struggle on her own since then. I know that kind of case probably exists, just it stuck me as being kind of melodramatic. Do you see what I mean?
Whoops, I meant "Montelac"- not Modelmotion.
ReplyDeleteNext thing you know, ppl are gonna start faking births! "so and so just had a baby! JK!" I just thought I would try to lighten the mood a bit...
ReplyDeletePointing us the the long and drawn out "comment board" to search this out is really inconsiderate. That thing can take forever to load. TO but is easy for those that can't search it out:
ReplyDeleteI've added the (mostly) relevant posts so people can get caught up. No, I'm not connected to any of these people...and I never cared about the situation to begin with...it just seems ... all stupid.
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Mariposita Obsidiana/April 14th, 2008 at 7:32 pm
I have some sad, but disturbing and utterly disgusting news.
Scarlette, the girl we all grieved for when we thought she committed suicide…
And Dan, the guy who supposedly found her….
Were fake.
They were “characters” made up by two people as some sort of sick “social experiment”.
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Mariposita Obsidiana/ April 14th, 2008 at 7:34 pm
They were made up and maintained by someone named Christopher, and inspired by Dutchess, one of our own members.
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Mariposita Obsidiana/ April 14th, 2008 at 7:35 pm
...several of us have known for a while.
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Mariposita Obsidiana/ April 14th, 2008 at 7:36 pm
Steve has known all along, and has withheld this information from the boards.
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Mariposita Obsidiana/ April 14th, 2008 at 7:38 pm
Our very own dutchess not only inspired this experiment, but helped this Christopher person maintain it.
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Mariposita Obsidianas/April 14th, 2008 at 7:46 pm
... And to clear something up: Steve didn’t know from the beginning that this was fake. But he has known for about two weeks. I may think he is a perverted bastard, but I don’t want anyone hating him for something that isn’t true.
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montelac/ April 14th, 2008 at 8:07 pm
First of all, I don’t know who let this leak, but I see M.O. is the one who wanted to act like a hero. Thanks a lot. You may have just prevented me from getting the entire truth by letting this out on the board before it was time.
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montelacs/April 14th, 2008 at 8:10 pm
I did NOT know for two weeks. I figured it out on Friday, and confronted the one person I could conclude to be involved. But I was trying to figure out how much further it went. In the meantime, I told select people on a need-to-know basis, such as Amber, who was actively talking to “Dan” and a couple of others that I wanted advice from.
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M.O. [Scarlette and Dan are Fake]/ April 14th, 2008 at 8:10 pm
Steve, you fucking bastard, don’t you dare say that about me. You even held this information over Amber’s head, you asshole.
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montelac/ April 14th, 2008 at 8:11 pm
M.O., will you fucking SHUT UP and stop trying to stir everyone up? I will tell you you everything I know.
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montelac/ April 14th, 2008 at 8:16 pm
I will tell this story in pieces so that we keep the flow going. I request that people refrain from commenting too much so we don’t get overwhelmed, okay?
Okay, to start, I fully believed Scarlette was real, and I was looking for proof. This issue had seriously divided this community, and I wanted it to be healed. I figure if I could find an obituary, a police report, ANYTHING, we could put Scarlette to rest properly. At the same time, I promised people, like Star, that if I found evidence to the contrary, I would reveal that.
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montelac/ April 14th, 2008 at 8:27 pm
I had been talking to “Dan” to get some information about Scarlette’s name, where she was from, where her mother was from, whether they had any photos together, etc… “Dan” provided me a last name, but he stonewalled me on everything else, saying he didn’t trust me, and that he didn’t want me bothering this girl’s mother. But he also wouldn’t reveal what town they lived in, or other benign details. It made me very uneasy.
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montelac/ April 14th, 2008 at 8:34 pm
“Dan” then saiid they found out “Scarlette” wasn’t who she said she was, that she was lying to everyone, and he and all her friends got mad at her — after her death. Then someone around Thursday deleted her myspace account. “Dan” blamed it on his roommate being angry at her, but it didn’t make sense that people would be angry at a girl who committed suicide.
I decided to contact Dutchess, who had introduced Dan as her old high school classmate, but, like Dan, she also wouldn’t reveal any information. I kept looking for BOTH proof that she existed, and now any evidence that she was a hoax.
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montelac/ April 14th, 2008 at 8:38 pm
One of the unique quirks about “Dan” was that he always screwed up saying “a women” instead of “a woman”. I never knew anyone who consistently made that mistake, so I never corrected him, thinking it might show up somewhere, like in a message from Scarlette. It never did… until Friday… when my old friend Dutchess, who was changing jobs, and was happily working her last day at her old one posted her status as soon about to be “a free women.” I know… just a spelling error, right? It turns out it wasn’t.
I went way out on a limb, and sent a message to Dutchess saying that she slipped up, that she had made everything up, and I wanted to know WHY. After a weak exchange where she tried to talk herself around it, I told her I deserved to know the truth, and she responded:
“I agree that you do.
I am both horrified and ashamed. I hadn’t realized things had gotten so bad. I had less to do with the “Dan” situation than you might suspect, but I am none the less responsible for it because I made it possible.
A friend of mine came to me, someone who has always been obsessed with “social experiments”. Over the years I’ve played accomplice to them to add to the realism. This time, the key ingredient would be an established myspace account. My account. I handed over the reigns & use of my screen name on a few occasions and away things went.
I will not try to lessen my guilt by going into my story of woe, but I only recently found out how far things had gone & that you were actually involved.”
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montelacs/April 14th, 2008 at 8:48 pm
I pressed Dutchess further, and she gave me her cell phone number and email address to talk further. She claimed this was all the work of a friend of hers that she met when she was 17, and had done minor things like this before. She said she let him use her myspace page as an “anchor” to provide legitimacy to the hoax. She made an appearance back on the board after being absent for nearly a year, followed immediately by “Dan”, who she established as being her old high school friend. Soon after, Dutchess disappeared, but “Dan” remained, and made friends with everyone here.
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montelac/ April 14th, 2008 at 8:56 pm
Dutchess claimed this was all her friend, Christopher, doing this. She said she gave him control of her myspace to use, and he connected different myspace accounts to it to provide legitimacy. The truth, as I know it so far, is that NEITHER “Dan” nor “Scarlette” existed, and it appears that the same was true for an entire network of people including friends, Dan’s sisters, a barmaid, etc. Dutchess acted horrified when I told her how many people had formed close attachments, and how they were devastated at “Scarlette’s” suicide. I told her about the memorial on the old comment board that was set up. Over the phone, she cried (I’m not calliong it fake or real), saying she had no idea that it gone this far, and how sorry she was that she had been a part of it. She gave me Christopher’s last name and the town he lives in (there is such a listing), and said she was going to contact him, and play dumb, to find out more information.
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montelac/ April 14th, 2008 at 9:08 pm
I talked to Dutchess on Friday after she left work at 6 PM. I’ve emailed with her since then. She said she hadn’t gotten an email back from Christopher yet. I told her to call the phone number I found listed for him. She emailed me back last night, saying it was a wrong number. She said “a women” answered and told her so.
Seeing that “a women” again just reinforces my strong suspicion that Dutchess WAS “Dan” — and “Scarlette.” But I wanted to give it a little more time to be sure. I wanted to give her the time to either provide proof otherwise, or to hang herself in the process.
But I also felt that certain people needed to know,and was working on telling people one by one, asking them to keep it quiet so Dutchess would not be spooked in the meantime. I wanted to get the FULL story, not just a partial story. I had other steps I was planning on taking, but I fear that is ruined now. The one hope I have is that Dutchess isn’t on tonight, and won’t see this, and that EVERYONE can refrain from talking about this later, tomorrow, etc., to keep it OFF the board. Maybe I can still find out more.
Can we try to do this? Please?
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milowent/April 14th, 2008 at 9:13 pm
montelac: the admins of this board have access to ip logs, they can simply track whether dutchess / hummdinger and/or buttercup (scarlette) used the same IP addresses. anyone who got e-mails from them can do the same.
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montelac/ April 14th, 2008 at 9:18 pm
I personally want to know if it was JUST Dutchess, or if it goes beyond her. This was an extremely elaborate hoax, which took a lot of time to set up and execute. There were probably about ten separate myspace accounts set up, as well as several AIM accounts. Amber was actively talking to “Dan” on AIM on Friday or Saturday when I told her. wsa she talking to Dutchess? Or someone else? Liv talked to both “Dan” and his friend “Daisy” who was apparently also fake.
NO ONE can claim any high ground here. We were ALL fooled at one time or another. This hoax was artfully done, and I ‘d like to know if we have to worry about it happening again. If Dutchess is telling the truth, this guy Christopher sounds like he could be a real psycho. If it’s JUST Dutchess, she may have had her wings clipped just be being caught.
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montelac/ April 14th, 2008 at 9:25 pm
444: Milo, this is where I feel very inadequate at this task. I am largely computer illiterate when it comes to things like IP addresses and such. It would be great to see if Dan’s matches with Dutchess’. Can that be done? I think that would definitively implicate Dutchess.
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montelac/ April 14th, 2008 at 9:39 pm
Then let me ask the board… would people like me to TRY to get more answers yet? The only way I can is if we try to keep this somewhat quiet for a bit longer, with NOBODY announcing that they were fake in the screen names.
Please, people, what is your opinion? I started on this for the sole purpose of finding the truth in order to heal this community. It’s obvious from what has happened tonight that we need it to be healed. More information is better than less.
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milowent/ April 14th, 2008 at 9:43 pm
#444: montelac — the admins can look at IP addresses on this board, i believe, no one else.
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Fatal Gear/ April 14th, 2008 at 9:50 pm
522:
Steve, at this point, its futile. Sorry. It’s already gone to public knowledge that we’re just as informed as you are. The spider doesn’t weave its web of lies in quite the same pattern when all the winds blow in the same direction. Whoever’s really behind everything, they’ll find this before getting back to you on any correspondance.
I’ve dealt with things like this before, and you were definately on the right track… But people demanding that knowledge go public immediately don’t understand that they’re destroying all chances of finding the truth. There is such a thing as justifiably classified information. When the police are trying to find one of their 10 most wanted, most people have the sense to avoid shouting: “HEY EVERYONE! THIS GUY IS A COP ON A STAKEOUT!”
Once your cover’s blown, the investigation is over.
The cards have been played, the deck’s been shuffled. There’s nothing more we can do.
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milowent/ April 14th, 2008 at 9:51 pm
jennie looks horny in this video.
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The reason for pointing to the comment board was that the discussion was in progress at the time of the post. It would have been unfair to draw any conclusion before it was complete but thanks for providing a summary of what you feel are the key posts.
ReplyDeleteThis is just gone too far and is ridicolous, before I was angry at TJ but all this drama isnt worth it its just becoming laughable and I hope people stop prying at it, if we wont get any proof, just move on and forget about it or else it will eat the community up !
ReplyDeleteUgh. I am SO over the unnecessary drama, especially that of the 'social experiment' variety.
ReplyDeleteI never signed up for a psychology experiment, thank you very much. Next time you want to perform tests on me, please be prepared to send me a $300 check in the mail.
Thank you.
P.S. This community is NOT anyone's plaything, and I am SICK of it being treated as such.
I think this is pretty sick to do with a community, but on the other hand: this is the internet and so many people are lying and faking their asses off online. I think we all shouldn't trust people that fast when we meet them online. "Scarlette" registered on march 3 and "died" at march 27. That are only 3 weeks and people already talked to her and about her like they knew her for over a year or so. That's why I never come at the comment boards anymore, people are just way too close to each other there. Although a lot of people are (probably) real, still I don't think you should tell really personal stuff online to people you don't even know that well.
ReplyDeleteThis being said, let's move on know. The fakers have got too much attention already.
Scarlette Phever rocks the Phorum!
ReplyDelete(it IS a nasty bit of business though)
thanks anonymous for summarizing the posts as they ended up, including my pivotal post ending the discussion.
ReplyDeleteI would lik to agree with milowent, yes..Jennie did look horny in that vid.
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ReplyDeletemontelac, that sucks. I don't go on the comment boards often, but from what I read in this discussion, you didn't do anything wrong. I find it ridiculous that you have to be moderated, but people who hold grudges against you and cannot contain their emotions for the sake of conversation can say whatever they please. I'm sorry to hear that.
ReplyDeleteI thought Bree was real. So there's probably a pretty big chance I'll believe most things people tell me (unless of course, they are irrational things). In real life, I'm much more cynical, but I've fallen in love with this community, and stupidly believed everyone felt the same. I could never have imagined someone would want to hurt the people in the LG15 community, because I find that it is made up of the most amazing people I've ever encountered.
That's all I'm going to say about this. I have to admit, this has kind of affected the way I will view newcomers. I have always tried not to be "clique-y" but this is the kind of thing that causes people to be cautious around "noobs".
sigh.
Oh wow. I have no idea about what's the truth here, but this makes me think two things: 1. that I was incredibly lucky or had some good instincts because all my close friends from LG15 turned out to be real and are who they say they are (hey, I'm marrying one of them and another one is my matron-of-honor :)). 2. that I'm glad that I didn't stay around longer. I can't judge the truth here, but if the Dutchess was indeed heavily involved in this I must say that I thought she had more of a real life and didn't need this kind of attention. I'm sorry for her or anyone else who thinks pulling a hoax like that will give him/her insights into him/herself or the world.
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ReplyDeleteIt's quite telling, the difference between the posts on this thread and the ones to ban TJ Marsh. Identical posters who were screaming for blood on TJs thread are now serving up platitudes about "online drama" and "everyone is fake" on the internet.
ReplyDeleteI think what is even more telling is that the instigators on the TJ Marsh thread are absent from this one.
Kind of puts the original motivations into question.
Where is the call for the virtual death penalty here?
Where are the long, drawn-out posts about manipulation and abuse of the community?
Most importantly, where is the new petition?
I have to agree with anonymous. What these people did is worse than what TJ did, but there's no calls to ban Duchess. Or whoever it was .
ReplyDelete*shrugs* I'm not a comment board poster, and very rarely on the forum, unless it's The Flock section, or the occasional comment on a video so I'll just sit back in my little corner, as it really isn't anything to do with me. :)
I think the difference is that TJ is a 'repeat offender' and folks are frustrated with him. With this, everyone was still in a state of shock.
ReplyDeleteI agree with the last anonymous poster. The other issue is that "Scarlette" and "Dan" now that they have been found out are likely to stay out of the community, or to assume other alias(es) where as TJ comes back time and time again with no real reason for his action, no feasible excuse, and more lies.
ReplyDeletewow. i just found this.
ReplyDeletethats messed up... why would someone DO that shit..
oh my god
you can lie about your age, you can lie about your haircolor, BUT YOU CANT LIE ABOUT DEATH.
its just wrong..
ok im i the only one who notesed that "everyone that clamd to know what was going on or to have talked to duthress or what ever her name is" HAS A NAME THAT BEGINS WITH m
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modelmotion
montelac
montelacs
M.O. [Scarlette and Dan are Fake
Mariposita Obsidianas
Mariposita Obsidiana
Maybe the fact its fake is the real thing thats the hoxs