On the question of Gina's demise

by Renegade

As some of you may know, I have spent the past few days separating fact from fiction, opinion and wishful thinking about Gina's "death". Contrary to popular claims, I am not in denial, and I have acknowledged from the start that Gina's death is ultimately up to the Creator's decision, not what the videos say.

Tuesday's video of course dealt a serious blow to the "Gina is/could be alive" faction, and, given that I know that the Creators are not above......"bending" probability in order to make the plot "work", and that Sarah's statement today was rather clear, I cannot help but admit that the probability they killed Gina off is exceptionally high right now.

And yet, I assume some of you would like to keep their hopes up, and I am here to give you a logical reason to do that.

"Evidence"

The entire "Gina is dead" claim is based on five assumptions or pieces of "evidence":

1. Jonas did not feel a pulse because Gina had no pulse.


2. Gina's footage proves Gina is dead.


3. Salinas said he had footage of someone dying, and he had Gina's footage.


4. Emma made a farewell video.


5. Sarah said Gina is dead.

I will now go through this "evidence" in reverse Order, ultimately showing that there is a 50% chance Gina is alive, that the decision of what is true is purely up to what way the Creators want to go, and that Gina's "death" can easily be reversed later.

This post is written with the evidence as of Tuesday, June 10th, after "A Woman Scorned" was released. If any future video shows Gina's body evidentially dead, or something similar, all of this is moot.

5. Sarah said Gina is dead.

This claim, in itself, is obviously true. Sarah did say Gina is dead. The question to ask is, on what basis does Sarah make that claim?
Ponder for a second where Sarah was when all hell broke loose: In the closet with Daniel, right next to the exit.
For one, it would have been rather stupid of her to run towards the gunshots once the fight started, especially after the others yelled "everybody out". For two, since we saw the others run out of the living room, it is likely we would also have seen Sarah enter the room, had she done so. It is much more likely that she heard the screams to run, and simply left the house through the door that was right next to her.
What does that mean?
It means that Sarah never actually saw Gina's body, or checked if she was dead; her assumption Gina is dead is purely based on the same "evidence" we have: Jonas's statement that he didn't feel a pulse, and Gina's footage. Which, in turn, means if these two pieces of evidence turn out to be false, Sarah's statement is void.

4. Emma made a farewell video.

Once again, in itself, this is true. Interestingly, however, even though Emma actually saw Gina's body, she never explicitly claimed her to be dead. Even if she did, though, the argumentation is basically the same as above - while Emma was probably looking at Gina's lifeless body, she did not feel Gina's pulse herself - she is relying entirely on Jonas's statement. She also did not note seeing wounds or blood, making her farewell nothing but another opinion on the same evidence - Jonas's statement that he didn't feel a pulse, and Gina's footage. Which, in turn, means if these two pieces of evidence turn out to be false, Emma's farewell was premature.

3. Salinas said he had footage of someone dying, and he had Gina's footage.

I will not go into details of why this scene is either indication of a giant conspiracy, or simply plotholetastic, but even if we assume Salinas was talking about the Gina footage - if he had Gina's dead body, he would have shown Gina's dead body. Since he didn't, it is likely he's basing his assumption that Gina is dead purely on the very same footage we saw.
What does that mean?
It means if the footage turns out to be false evidence, Salinas is basing his statement on false evidence, thus making it void.

2. Gina's footage proves Gina is dead.

This is wrong, plain and simply. There have been theories that Gina has wounds on her back, or was poisoned, or something similar that would not show in the picture we saw. In that case, Gina's footage would show Gina's death, but it would not prove it. That distinction may sound like nitpicking, but it is an important one - we cannot see any wounds or blood in the footage of Gina lifeless on the ground - which means she could very well simply be unconscious.
Gina's footage may be documentation of her death, but given that we do not see anything that definitely proves her to be dead, neither blood nor wounds, Gina's footage is not evidence of her death.
What does that mean?
It means the footage is no evidence, it means "evidence" #3 (Salinas) fails, because the prerequisite is not true, and it means half of the basis for "evidence" #4 and #5 (Emma and Sarah) is false.

Where are we now?

Claim #2 is false, automatically falsefying #3.
That leaves only #1, #4 and #5 as "evidence" that Gina is dead.
Since half of the basis of #4 and #5 was eliminated, that means #4 and #5 rely entirely on claim #1 to be true.
If claim #1 is false, #4 and #5 are baseless, rendering them worthless as evidence.
In other words: If claim #1 is false, there is no "evidence" left that supports the claim that Gina is dead.

1. Jonas did not feel a pulse because Gina had no pulse.

Here we are at the crucial last point, the one deciding it all - is Gina dead or not?
And the truthful answer is: Only the Creators know.
To form your own opinion, you have to ponder the following question: Are you sure that Jonas correctly took Gina's pulse?
He himself said "I don't feel a pulse", not "She has no pulse".
He was also under extrem pressure because he was in the middle of an attack, emotionally hit because a good friend might be dead, and his attention was diverted because he had to watch out for incoming enemies, to not get killed himself. Several people also criticized the technique he used to feel for Emma's pulse.

Summary

#1 Is a question of opinion
#2 fails as evidence, because it proves nothing.
#3 fails as evidence, because it relies on #2 to be true
#4 fails if #1 fails.
#5 fails if #1 fails.

If you believe Jonas still managed to take Gina's pulse correctly despite the circumstances, then Gina is dead to you.
If you believe it is possible that Jonas did not feel a pulse even though there was one, simply because the situation did not give him the time and rest to fully concentrate on the task at hand, then there is a 50% chance that Gina is still alive - either he's wrong, or he's not.

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I know some will claim I'm "in denial" and "grasping for straws", but I have yet to see someone prove that Gina is actually dead. If someone wants to make a case for her death, I'll gladly read it, but an opinion alone does not change the facts. If you can conclusively prove Gina is dead, do so. If you can disprove my points, do so. If you can't do either, don't claim I'm wrong.

I acknowledge there's a high probability the Creators declared Gina dead. I am not in denial about that. But that does not change the fact that, so far, we have not seen conclusive evidence of her death, and that the Creators could easily revert this decision by simply claiming Jonas is human, and made a mistake.

This entire discussion boils down to a simple question: How brilliant do you believe the writers of LG15 to be?
If you believe they are clumsy and straightforward, then there's no way you can believe they would create such a complex plot. It is far more likely the production crew simply failed at making it clear in Gina's footage that she's dead, and the situation was never meant to be ambiguous.
If you believe the writers could think in such a way, then you can believe it's not a coincidence there was no obvious sign of death on Gina, and you can believe it's not a coincidence that the only explicit statement so far came from someone who wasn't even in the room.

If you want to hope, there's nothing speaking against it - so far. If you don't want to hope, at least acknowledge nothing is definite until we see a body, the characters who were the room claim they saw injuries, or the Creators explicitly state Gina is dead.

Thank you for your time.
Renegade