How many kicks does it take to knock out an entire LG15 community?...
Well folks, I guess we are all about to find out. Well the ones that have still stuck around I guess. See, I am not a very *clingy* fan and I do not expect or want ANYTHING from the *creators,* but some common decency and respect would be nice. (If at this point you still do not know what I am referring to, I point you to the creators nowlive.com chat where a certain TJ Marsh was crowned admin, and then returned to chat to slap us all in the face with it) At this point, I say that the leaders in this LOVELY community have taken it one step to far. They have gone so far as REWARDING an individual that not only has proven himself to be mistrustful, but has also hurt this community as a whole. So how many kicks does it take to get to the center of a HAMMY thats so angry shes ready to kick back? Well I guess the world may never know because although I'm still around the community .......for the amazing friends that I have made, I'M DONE. I'M done with a *coughcommunitycough* of admins that are not willing to stand up for that "community" they represent. I'M DONE with having to deal with individuals that don't have enough backbone to stand up and GET RID of the crazy's around here. I'M DONE because it is just not worth it anymore. Anywayyyy, I leave you with this my fellow lonelycrackers.......there has to be a reason that Tj Marsh was kept around and made ADMIN.......personal benefits maybe? I mean it doesn't matter how much of a crazy lunatic marsh is........he knows his way around nowlive.com ........and probably knows a few people that know people that know where the nowlive.com offices are, thus resulting in that cozy office that the "creators" so humbly sat in last night.
Just know, where thUR is a creator, thUR is a dirty deal to be made and loyal fans to be stepped all over .....So i bid all those terrible lg vid's i made myself watch in support of the amazing actors that work on the show goodbye. And don't misconstrue this to me walking away from all you amazing people. I simply refuse to involve myself in another contest, watch another video, etc
But I am finished for now and I have said my peace
~xoxo always,
Hammy
amanda said...
Everyone, we are sorry if TJ was an admin on NowLive. We 100% did NOT make him an admin and had nothing to do with moderating the chat. I called NowLive and asked them to set up a chat for Monday at 4:00 pm. Miles, Greg, and I drove to the studio, sat down in front of the mics, and did our best to answer your questions. We had no idea who the admins were, except for Broken Kid. How TJ became an admin is a mystery to us. We care deeply about this community and would appreciate it if you gave us the benefit of the doubt in these situations.
Best,
Amanda
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I agree with most of what is said in this message. The TJ saga has been going on for a while now and he has proven again and again that he stops at nothing to get unjustified attention. People continuously fall back on his biggest mistake of faking his own death, but it fact that isn't really the point. From what I hear there was proof that in fact his laptop was stolen, but I don't really care about that. Your regular laptop thief wouldn't go through the trouble of posting such a message. The story still hardly holds any ground. For someone wanting to reenter the community it's a very sad thing to give yourself out as an lg15admin...
ReplyDeleteI know that these issues are often resolved behind closed doors, but I think this instance justifies a public response. I too am very disappointed to how things were handled during and after the nowlive chat.
Let us know:
How did TJ gain administrative rights?
And why was he allowed to use the LG15Admin name?
At some point enough is enough and the community is starting to get more than sick of the constant shit storm one individual is throwing at it. As one of the IRC operators I had to step down yesterday because I completely disagree with the decisions being made by the upper hand here. A completely misguided decision mainly because the people that made it weren't fully aware of the situation and only looked at one side and one incident while in fact it's a pile up of many things.
Because I see this having a major negative effect on the atmosphere in chat and other places I like to hang out, I would like to see this solved. I hope there will be a suitable response soon.
I know how you feel bright. I consider it a slap in the face basically. from the things i have witnessed and heard it's like getting slapped in the face with a large trout basically. I have been semi away from many community aspects the last few months for several of my own reasons, and this certainly don't help.
ReplyDeleteWTF? surely TJ was anonymous and fooled people? being allowed to be in the chat room is one thing (i heard xwestsidex was trolling in there, and he is a permaban on lg15.com so i am sure he wasn't welcome), but being made an ADMIN for the chat?
ReplyDeletei'm all for hanging the creators when its merited, but i'm hoping there's more to the story.
more to the story? like what? Well they knew he was TJ, they knew what he had done, and yet he was allowed into chat LET ALONE! made admin! *sighs and wanders off mummmmbling*
ReplyDeleteI guess it's a case of the squeaky wheel getting the grease.
ReplyDeleteIf this is their first step in building a new community, then I happily bid LG adieu.
There are so many people who would be good for admin. Why bother with a complete fuck up?
I guess they'll eventually learn what a jackass he really is and how he'll actually hurt their little baby rather than help it, but by then it may be too late.
and i will enjoy viewing whatever comes along because of it ;)
ReplyDeleteTo be fair, I don't believe the C's actually knew LG15Admin was TJ. He revealed himself to me in a PM message mid-chat and instead of causing a commotion in the middle of the event, I let things be. He is not banned from NowLive, so I did not believe it was my place to make a decision about his presence at that time. I do not know if anyone else was aware of his real identity until he showed up again in IRC as LG15Admin. Like BrightSilence, I also stepped down as op once people did learn it was TJ in order to let the community deal with it as they saw fit without my interference. If anyone feels any of these actions were errors in judgement on my part, I am very sorry, I was doing the best I could in a sensitive situation.
ReplyDeletewait was he really an Admin for the chat though? could he bounce people and such? or was it just the name he chose?
ReplyDeleteBK already chose NOT to ban TJ from the forums (his username was just changed to blackspider), so why is it news that he would come into chat and asshat around?
ohh its not your fault jenni. they made the decision to keep him around and i guess they now have to sit in the pile of crap they accumulated *shrugs*
ReplyDeletemilowent, the color of his username was red and bolded, like the other admin in the room. I can only assume he had admin powers.
ReplyDeleteas i say, though, its ALWAYS jenni powell's fault.
ReplyDeletethanks @ anonymous
ReplyDeleteIt's weird how almost every week someone has to defend the creators over something.
ReplyDeleteI can understand that misunderstandings (and coincidences) do happen, but this often?
If they were righteous enough, they wouldn't really need a defense. Just sayin.
EXACTLY! AMEN BROTHA
ReplyDeleteHe had admin powers on nowlive, but not in IRC.
ReplyDeleteHowever using the name LG15Admin was completely unjustified and using his connection to nowlive to look legit was too.
I used to love this site for my all things LG15 recap, but lately all I see is people bitching and crying.
ReplyDeleteIt's really, really pathetic.
Exactly, Bright. I know that BK has said that the issue has been dealt with behind the scenes but we get no peace of mind. And yknow, it really isn't just the computer thing. It's all of his other lies and stupid acts that just keep building. I really think it's unfair of them to just keep sweeping it under the rug.
ReplyDeleteand CMON seriously? LG15admin?
Wow.
And anonymous, I really don't think that's fair. Put it into perspective. The show is ending and things are popping up that are just unfair and well... annoying. LG15Today comments on ALL news. It just happens to be that lately there is drama.
ReplyDeleteEveryone, we are sorry if TJ was an admin on NowLive. We 100% did NOT make him an admin and had nothing to do with moderating the chat. I called NowLive and asked them to set up a chat for Monday at 4:00 pm. Miles, Greg, and I drove to the studio, sat down in front of the mics, and did our best to answer your questions. We had no idea who the admins were, except for Broken Kid. How TJ became an admin is a mystery to us. We care deeply about this community and would appreciate it if you gave us the benefit of the doubt in these situations.
ReplyDeleteBest,
Amanda
I have to agree with chelsey. LG15Today has always seemed to be a community blog, which is why I like coming here. This is what happens to be going on in the community right now.
ReplyDeleteAmanda,
ReplyDeleteThanks for your reply. The thing is that these concerns are overlooked while they have a massive influence on the community. It should have been your job to prevent it from happening.
I already had my doubts about how he got his admin rights and it's not beyond his personality to trick people into getting them.
Please do realize that this is strike number.... eeerm... not enough fingers for that one. What does it take before something is done about it?
Greetz,
BS
Everyone, we are sorry if TJ was an admin on NowLive. We 100% did NOT make him an admin and had nothing to do with moderating the chat. I called NowLive and asked them to set up a chat for Monday at 4:00 pm. Miles, Greg, and I drove to the studio, sat down in front of the mics, and did our best to answer your questions. We had no idea who the admins were, except for Broken Kid. How TJ became an admin is a mystery to us. We care deeply about this community and would appreciate it if you gave us the benefit of the doubt in these situations.
ReplyDeleteBest,
Amanda
Give you the benefit of a doubt? Sure, why not. We've been doing that for awhile anyway. Defending your actions and inactions is commonplace these days.
But...this is your business, isn't it? Your bread and butter. Why would you have 'mystery moderators' in your chat...that you set up?
I have a business...not nearly as big as yours, but I certainly don't have any mystery employees.
I think you guys are still in an intimate enough position to pay attention to details like this. It's the details that will make or break you.
I used to give benefit of the doubt. Those days are over. I have learned my lessons.
ReplyDeleteUsing Nowlive, over objections, has turned out to be a terrible decision. You can't even control who admins your room.
Thank you to Amanda for setting the record straight. I hope everyone gives them the benefit of the doubt, I know a lot of people thought LG15Admin was Amanda prior to the chat starting, since 'he' made a few implications in that area, which is vintage TJ. I can see how something like that would happen without them knowing.
ReplyDeleteOn a personal note, I always give you guys the benefit of the doubt, I think you still have earned it.
Why would you 'always' have to give them the benefit of a doubt?
ReplyDeleteIs it because there's so much doubt?
Whether you knew or not is hardly the point. If you host a chat, you're responsible for what happens during that chat.
ReplyDeleteIRC has been suggested a couple of times and there is actually a quite competent IRC mod team in place that could have assured damn well that things like this would never happen.
If YOU don't want to be bothered with these things, then make sure others are handling it.
If it wasn't for the C's we wouldn't have a show in the first place? Okay, whatever. I'm pretty sure I found some form of entertainment long before LG came along.
ReplyDeleteHowever, if it wasn't for our support as a community, where do you think the C's would be?
Don't bite the hand that feeds you. It's bad and if others see it they won't want to feed you.
TJ has said in the past that he worked for nowlive and still has connections there. That is, I understand, how he was on as a moderator. There were at least four or five other moderators there from nowlive (HH, J-Cred, and a few others whose names disappeared when I kept refreshing for audio). My understanding is that nowlive arranged extra (hardware) resources for the chat and had people there to help out.
ReplyDeleteThat being said, TJ should not have used that name, and when he came into IRC chat using that name, he was immediately told to change it, which he did. His involvement in nowlive was not planned or requested by the Creators or myself.
As was said when this came up a few months ago, TJ was not banned, because IP information did not link those posts to his previous posts, and he did go through all the steps filing a police report, etc. So while it's possible he was responsible, there was no proof, and banning was considered extreme. It was recommended he take a break for a while, which he did. I'm sorry if that wasn't all made clearer in the beginning.
The Creators did not know i was a admin in the room along with many others, Jenni powell and Broken were crowned admin before the chat started, we monitored the room and did the best we could to provide a very honest chat...i Myself kicked Westside out.
ReplyDeleteThe creators did not know, quit passing blame.
Im sorry that the creators hae been attacked over all of this drama, broken kid said in chat that my laptop was stolen along wih many things, that Model motin could even agree to..(I belive, she was in the room)
So please, quite harrassing me over stupid crap..I came into the chat to see what you guys thought of the Nowlive chat, Not the event.
I said my peace and that is all.
I have nothing more to say.
ONE: "my God, you all are pathetic. If it weren't for the C's, you wouldn't even HAVE a show in the FIRST PLACE. STOP. BITCHING. ABOUT. EVERYTHING. Did TJ really do anything BAD as an admin? Did he do something to disrupt the chat as a whole, and cause a mass outbreak of distress? No. I didn't even know he was an admin, and now that I know, I don't give a shit. I come to LG15today to see the community get excited over LG15. Not to hear everyone bitch and moan over TJ. Jesus..."
ReplyDeleteps: if we are so pathetic why don't you identify who you are so we can be less pathetic with the presence of yourself.
~ we never said he did anything wrong THIS TIME. we are mad about his actions in the past, and the fact that they were not addressed...and at this point you are bitching like a child about others stating an opinion. GROW UP
TWO: amanda we did give you guys the benefit of the doubt, and we have SEVERAL times before. And, if we put the nowlive chat aside and look at the lg15chat....there is no more room for "benefit of the doubt" By allowing him to return to our chat even after he has told so many lies is ridiculous. Lets say we look past nowlive and say that it was a mistake .........FINE .......but lg15chat was NOT a mistake ......he was allowed to stay even after community members found out who he was. and saying that the "evidence is not enough" to ban him is just a cop-out. And the sad part is that in lg15chat we DO have the control of who enters and exits .......and yet we are powerless over it .....THAT is what saddens me the most
BK even though the evidence is not enough to say that he DID fake his own death ......do you not think that the evidence present is enough that SOMEONE ELSE didn't? Let us put all the facts aside and bring up common sense. YES i said it folks common sense. FORGET facts.......use the brain you have. Who can believe that someone stole a laptop and faked someones death? Honestly? This must be some bad joke *Sighs*
ReplyDeleteMay have been stolen..sorry i re read the chat log.
ReplyDeletemay have been stolen? so you do not know for sure? *facepalmz*
ReplyDeleteHere's the bottom line for me.
ReplyDelete1. There have been too many times where I have seen the community be ignored. There have been contests that never saw fulfillment. I mean the one people were the most excited about, the T-shirt contest, petered out for no reason. I know for a fact that you have a contact in the world of t-shirts that is/was and LG fan
2. We understand that this is your creative baby. We accept the fact that you don't HAVE to accept our suggestions this is your company and these are your decisions to make. But at least show us that you listen and value our opinion. Is it time to end LG and start something new? ABSOFREAKINGLUTELY. But the way you are going about it just doesn't feel right. We aren't asking that you do whatever we say. We as the fans just want you to listen.
You know why Metallica took the nose dive that it took? It started caring more about the money and not enough about the fans. They got their panties in a twist over napster and alienated their fan base. It was then those of us who were fans realized it wasn't about the music it was about the money. If you are doing this show because you love doing the show then cool. If you are doing it for the money cool. But if you don't want our input AND criticism don't ask for it.
In the beginning we had no reason to believe we had any real impact on the person we watched (bree) so when you told us to do fan stuff when you asked us for input we were stoked that you would include us in your project. Lately it just feels like to this fan you stopped listening.
I was fixing a mistake i wrote on my post on what BK said..sorry for the confusion.
ReplyDeleteAs for the TJMarsh thing I could not care one iota less. TJ is a symptom not the sickness
ReplyDeleteTJ:
ReplyDelete"The Creators did not know i was a admin in the room along with many others, Jenni powell and Broken were crowned admin before the chat started, we monitored the room and did the best we could to provide a very honest chat...i Myself kicked Westside out."
This right here is the problem. You abused your access to NowLive and came into the chat under the name of LG15admin and took on the responsbilities of an admin which is NOT YOUR JOB. The creators did not pick you to be an admin, and it is not up to you to decide if you get to be one or not. You can't continually abuse your connections or weasel your way into situations just for the attention it brings. You have this driving need to feel self-important, and it's doing nothing but cause drama.
"So please, quite harrassing me over stupid crap..I came into the chat to see what you guys thought of the Nowlive chat, Not the event."
Then why not come as yourself, as a regular fan? Why not let Jenni and Broken Kid - who are also ops in the IRC chat and are well-equipped to handle such chats - do their job? Why continue the lies and deceit that has created so much animosity in the past?
Amanda, the very fact that you guys have answered several of my direct questions proves that you read along during chat.
ReplyDeleteErgo, you must have seen both BK as well as Jenni under their normal names. You also knew none of the Creators was in the room.
...have you never once wondered who the specially marked-up account "lg15admin" was?
I find it hard to believe something like this goes unnoticed. And even if you didn't notice, BK and Jenni are seasoned in moderating chat events. They should have noticed there is an unidentified moderator going by "lg15admin" (and known it's neither someone of their usual team nor you).
Given the amount of direct interaction we got during the chat, I find it very hard to believe that no one noticed that no one knew who "lg15admin" was or why he was using that name.
As someone above mentioned, you're a running a business. LG15 is your product, and events like the chat are the way you're selling it. I say the following with no intent to insult you, but: Not knowing who excercises control over your customers and infringes on your copyright is not a display of business skills. Especially not when it happens during an event designed to appease your customers. You went out of your way to make this special. So special that you chose a different service over established communication channels. And yet, you didn't even check who the guy claiming to be "lg15admin" was.
Even if it hadn't been TJ, unless the user behind the nick was official EQAL personnel with administrative rights over something, s/he shouldn't be using the name "lg15admin".
As much as I believe you you had no idea, the fact that you had no idea just makes this even more fucked up.
Because it means that TJMarsh, one of the most despised people in the community, can just randomly waltz into official events and have the same power as BK and Jenni.
I believe you you had no idea. But that doesn't make it better. It makes it worse.
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As for the constant claims of "he proved the notebook was stolen" - I have yet to see any proof, and last time this issue came up, he said he knew exactly who it was. So did the guy get caught or what?
Independent from that, the fact that his notebook was stolen does not mean the posts in question came from that notebook. Even if his notebook was stolen, he still didn't provide a logical explanation of why someone who steals equipment worth several hundred dollars, while on probation, iirc, has, instead of pawning that thing and running, nothing better to do than fake TJ's death in a random internet community.
Even if his notebook was stolen, his story still makes no sense at all.
OHH and MR. ModelMotion is a HE ;)
ReplyDeleteTJ Marsh: Learn your lesson. Quit spoofing - it's not cool, and it pisses people off. Pick an ID and stick with it.
ReplyDeleteEveryone else, come on, the Creators honestly overlooked what was happening. Give them a break on this detail. They are trying. The amount of vitriol expressed is unjustified.
In fact, I think I may be the only one that noticed / said anything about the odd anonymous "Crew LG15Admin" right at the start of the chat (actually about 5 minutes before start time). I asked who it was and there was some confusion (someone thought it was Amanda, I think) but no official response.
I knew TJ has had access to NowLive events in the past, and I asked in chat whether LG15Admin was one of the Creators, or tj, half jokingly. If there is a log, you will see it in there. ApotheosisAZ responded to my question saying (I think) No, it couldn't be.
I thought it odd that someone named LG15Admin did not identify themselves, but I thought you never know, maybe they were busy or something.
I am also naturally suspicious of every ID online. I've seen too many fakes. Even in this comment session, there are comments by "tj marsh" but they are by a filled in name (in black font) rather than logged in (orange), so it's possible that is someone pretending to be TJ (probably not, bit it's possible).
Anyway, then Amanda arrived and started saying stuff like "wow, 73 people connected" etc.
So at the end of the chat, a little over an hour later, LG15Admin asked me by private message "How did you know?" completely out of context. I didn't even know how to PM on Nowlive and had to ask. I answered something related to my most recent chat comment. Then there was another message saying "How did you know I was TJ?" (approximately). I replied that "unknownsource" told me.
I didn't know, it was just a guess. TJ also posts on this blog as "unknownsource" and it is usually something about a Nowlive event, so I naturally connect the two.
In fairness to TJ, since the "faked his death" incident, I think he has been generally lying low, and resorted to using these alternate ID's as a way to nominally participate without drawing negative attention. Then he screwed up with this LG15Admin stunt. However, he did not disrupt the Nowlive session, and he did identify himself to Jenni (eventually), so she could have intervened if there was a problem.
I'm not trying to add fuel to the fire, but I want TJ to hear from me, someone who has been more than fair to him and even stuck up for him in the past as a quirky member of the community (before the whole faking his death incident), that TJ, it's not cool to pretend to be something or someone you are not online... it is a sure way to alienate people when they find out the truth. If you want to role play, that's fine, but you need to do it with the consent of the people you are interacting with.
I think you showed poor judgement in not ignoring the temptation of using your Nowlive access in this way. Other than that, I have no hard feelings for you, and I hope you figure out how to interact in ways that are fun for you without angering others. Please quit spoofing.
Just because all of you guys have the time to sit online and pine about what TJ Marsh does and doesn't do, doesn't mean that the Creators have the same time to go on the forums and in chat and participate so fully in the community. They have this thing called a show that they are doing, and if I were them, it would be more important to me to make sure that everything is set with the show. On Nowlive, they were busy answering questions. You want them to just stop and be like 'hey, who's lg15admin?' lg15admin wasn't DOING anything. So why would they worry. Just chill. This is the internet, not real life. Go get in a fit over REAL drama. There are worse things than what TJ Marsh did.
ReplyDeleteYes I want them to know who their admins are. I want them to be damn sure that the people that control the process can be trusted.
ReplyDeleteI agree with QtheC that this incident alone wouldn't be enough to cause such a massive reaction against the creators. But you have to realize that it is all rooted in the many mistakes that were made as a result of not paying enough attention to the community and not listening to it's needs.
Mistakes are piling up and responses are being ignored. That's why they're getting a bigger shit storm every time. Which in fact that should be happy with, since that means at least people still care enough.
A show don't mean shit if nobody watches.
ReplyDeleteThe chat yesterday was part of their job. Their show. They fucked it up, period.
Q noticed the oddness of this mysterious admin and he's not even on the payroll. What the hell...
Q even confronted him. The C's apparently didn't know anything about it and their first response is, 'It's not our fault.' Bullshit. This is their job, their show, their fault. You can't be lazy when dealing with your fanbase. it reflects on the entire business, and then the fanbase gets lazy when dealing with you.
Hell, look at the amount of activity compared to this time last year or the year before. It gets lower...and lower and lower...
I predict at this rate, by this time next year LG will have gone the way of the dodo.
Honestly...there's like...ten of you that are making this a big deal. The other hundreds of viewers DON'T CARE. So even though the Creators probably don't want to lose you guys, if they do...they are sort of starting fresh, and they can easily get new viewers. They want more viewers and more activity, so they are doing new things, and all anyone does is complain. WAAH NO UGC!!!! WHAAAAAAAAAA TJ MARSH WAS AN ADMIN!!! WHAAAAAA they don't pay attention to usssss! WHAAA they aren't robots!!! WHAAA THEY HAVE LIVES!!! You guys go out and get YOUR OWN LIVES!!!! You fans are way to elitist. The Creators have treated you guys TOO well. I would hate to be them right now, dealing with all this senseless crap.
ReplyDeleteI'm just pissed that they won't tell us if characters are actually gonna be in the new show. They keep going back and forth from implying there will be full-time characters that were also main characters in LG15, to implying that we "could see some familiar places" which implies that people who may or may not have been main characters, may or may not be main characters in the new show. For me, this show is all about the characters. I don't give a flying fuck if there's a show about the Order. I am invested in the CHARACTERS, not the fight against the Order. Blah.
ReplyDeletePleaseeee keep Daniel.
As for the chat, this is exactly why I didn't bother going in. I knew it would just aggravate things further.
And as for TJ Marsh...I don't really care about him, but I admit that he is really annoying and probably a pathological liar. He reminds me of some people I know. He's hopeless. Saying that giving him a new name and that he promised to change means NOTHING. People like this are not going to change. People like TJ Marsh need professional help, and even that doesn't always work. People like TJ Marsh are hopeless causes. Plain and simple, he's had enough second chances, he's proven he isn't gonna change, why is anyone still defending him? Why is he still allowed to participate? Why, why WHY?!?!?
I dunno man...49 replies here so far. I don't think it went all that smoothly.
ReplyDeleteI'm not sure what part of your as you pulled your stats from, but I'm thinking more than 8 people are a little put-off that someone...anyone was able to pass themselves off as an admin in an official chat.
Just because a few voice it doesn't mean that others don't think it.
Most of the posts in here are from the same people over and over again.
ReplyDeleteYou know what...it's so much easier to lurk. All of you posters get your names called in videos and stuff but it's pathetic how involved you get with the show. It is a show. The creators are people...and have only been at this for two years. They are going to make one hundred thousand mistakes. At least they keep going. We should be applauding them for continuing despite their mistakes. Because they could easily just quit; I'm sure by now there are companies willing to hire them. And where would that leave you guys? You can't have fans without a show, and good luck finding a show as big as Lg 15 that cares as much about their fans as the Creators do.
I love anonymous posters.
ReplyDelete:)
stellecat said, "...good luck finding a show as big as Lg 15 that cares as much about their fans as the Creators do."
ReplyDeleteCan you say, Watching the Guild? or Dr. Horrible's Sing-a-long blog or any of a dozen other internet shows that would love to have LG15's fans?
I agree. I've said it before, and I'll say it again, you all seem ungrateful.
ReplyDeleteI understand the TJ situation upset some people, but really, you're going to blame the C's for it?
Stop trying to pick everything apart.
If you all are really so upset with (seemingly) EVERYTHING the C's are doing, then leave. The world will go on without you.
Or maybe LG15 will crash and burn without you (thought I highly doubt that), and then you can sit back and laugh.
They are trying to make a community happy. I have yet to see any other show this large try to reach out to their fans in the way the C's have.
They're not perfect. No one is.
Get.Over.It, or just leave. It really seems that the dozen or so of you that have problems with EVERYTHING are bringing down the entire community.
I used to love LG15, but now... it's just a mess of drama and bitching.
OH, and just putting it out there, but last I heard, from a friend who works at NowLive, TJ is not, and never was an actual employee there.
ReplyDeleteMaybe this has changed, or maybe I was lied to, but as of the whole faked death thing, I was told he had never officially worked for NowLive.
I'm pretty sure that Joss Whedon is going to have way more fans than lonelygirl just because of who he is, and yet he will not reach out to us like the Creators do, and watching the guild has plenty of fans, with a lot of time between their episodes, and yet nobody complains about that, but omg, lg15 doesn't post on weekends, and people get angry. >.>
ReplyDeleteAnd I doubt those shows would want to have the complaining fans that lg15 has, quite honestly. I don't think fans of other shows are as vocal or condescending.
ReplyDeleteOh, TJ, what havoc hath you wrought?
ReplyDeleteYour evil plans have torn the lg15 community asunder!
Will the grevious harm caused by your dastardly appearance as an admin on nowlive.com ever be repaired?
Egads.
Yet, at the bottom of the destruction and indescribable horror, from whence all have fled.
may there be one chance, may we be blessed
i'll retain one seed of hope
bearing the word,
UNLESS.
Wow, I read most of this and am seriously wondering about the logic and or maturity of a few of you.
ReplyDeleteYou give Creators the benifit of the doubt but not TJ.
Creators can make mistakes but not TJ.
Creators have cards stacked agaist them just as much as TJ but we'll set fire to a syptom instead of the disease.
WHATTHEHELL.
How about this?
How about it would be nice for TJ to show of proof and to walk us through every event of what truthfully happened to his laptop. However, this isn't a Walgreens commercial and life isn't perfect. We can't just demand that he show us proof. Not to mention if you guys are accusing him of doing it for the attention then why do you continue to give him attention. USE YOUR BRAIN AS MORE THAN A HAT RACK.
I have personally supported the Creators and Fans despite their faults. Despite how I may disagree with decisions. Can you guess why? Because I know I've done some pretty shitty things in my life and people yelling at me did nothing to help me do better things. I know I've made some poor decisions but getting yelled at over them didn't help to make my next decision a better one.
Someone made a comment on not biting the hand that feeds. That it looks bad and that no one else will want to feed you. Think about it. The Creators have fed us TWO amazing shows. Yet we continue to bite and mangle their hands. I will be surprised if they ever really support or feed us again.
I post anonymously because I'm a coward.
ReplyDeleteSeriously people do not know the full story of a lot of shit and I'm tired of it. Get the full facts before you personally attack the some of us who do know.
ReplyDeleteand as for TJ...
PEOPLE! Seriously! It isn't just the laptop.
And to clarify, it isn't also just the fact that he was on NowLive as LG15Admin. He came into IRC as well and IRC rules clearly state impersonation isn't allowed. The actual LG15admin is someone of authority and that is NOT him. He was asked to change his name, yes. But it's just all of his impersonation in the past and lies upon lies that people are getting pissed about.
Honestly, please learn all the facts before you attack.
Oh and attack the argument, not the poster. :D
Number One:
ReplyDeleteOkay everybody, this post has taken a turn that was not intended. My post was not about bashing the C's or about the new show....which some have brought up (god knows why X_X) I have ridiculous respect for them .....they stared a show from a bedroom with ONE shitty webcam. Thats glorious ..or was at the time. My post was about TJ. Yes i did emphasize the fact that they allowed him to stay but my attack was not on them. Let's put aside the nowlive.com chat......that is no longer the issue because i will give them the "benefit" of the doubt and say they didnt know......and thats fine. I am simply angry that he is allowed to stick around the community even though people know WHAT he is and WHO he is.
Number Two: To everybody who says we are bitching? and that we are a select few? Last I heard i was stating my opinion and outrage about a person who has lied to SO MANY lg fans in the past. And its only what 8 of us? Just because a select few are choosing to voice opinions does not mean we are the only ones. Many others have been "played" by TJ Marsh, and the reason i am outraged is because allowing him to stay is giving him more opportunity to "play" newer members of this community.
Number Three:
The only reason I even posted was because I actually care. Why would I post about something that means absolutely nothing to me and something i have nothing invested in?
~~Im not another bitching fan that hates everything and everyone associated with the series. I love the people here and the amazing friends I have made, therefore I try my hardest to make sure that people who try and hurt this community will not have the opportunity to do so afterwards. THATS why this post was made.
NOT a bashing of the c's
NOT a crazed fans rant
NOT someone who doesn't have a life. (because working 2 jobs and going to school full time constitutes to having a life....well in my book)
Guys, this is not a witch hunt, or a bashing fiasco......its me simply being mad about this one thing .....that is just the straw on the camels back. But i have said my peace...i have read the comments ......half of which were from children who do not understand and simply like to name call.......and i am very glad that i am not alone in this opinion ........
~xoxo always
Hammy
I post anonymously cause I don't give a shit about needing a name. I'll post my opinion in whatever way I feel like it. I think the C's ROCK and don't deserve a lot of the shit you give them.
ReplyDeleteSo let me get this straight...
ReplyDeleteEveryone is angry at the creators and LG15 itself because of a mistake with NowLive?
Sure, they could of caught that there was an admin they didn't know of, but they didn't. They made a mistake. Anyway if they did, would they really want to cause a scene in the middle of a LIVE CHAT to deal with TJ's crap?
Also, you guys need to stop blowing this out of proportion. I mean, God, boycotting the show ITSELF? I hate to say, but that is a tad immature. What can they do? I mean, it's in the past. They can't go to back in time to fix it... they can just say sorry and learn from it.
And TJ, he made horrible mistakes. Unforgivable ones. Obviously, he isn't a very praised person in the community, and that is understood. Just because he was marked as an admin because he was being a douche and chose the name lg15admin, everyone shouldn't get their panties in a bunch. Nothing went wrong. He didn't do anything to majorly damage the chat itself.
Oh, wait. It's all about what he did, I'm sorry. I forgot that everyone holds grudges and loves to be mad for no reason. Obviously, I'm getting more angry as I type. It's one thing to be totally pissed if he came in and acted like TJ, but I mean WHAT DID HE DO!? If nothing terrible life affecting happened during the chat, then don't get majorly pissed.
I'd don't want to say it's "bitching," because it's not. It's almost there, but I think right now it's just not understanding the situation. The creators make mistakes. Sure they may make more than others, but don't make this a bigger deal than it is.
I know, I'm going to be flamed and hated for, God forbid, having my own opinion, but their it is. But what do I know, I'm thirteen. I shouldn't be taken seriously.
"TJ is a symptom not the sickness" -StoneDog
Amen.
See another comment without considering what this post is about. if you do not understand i very highly recommend you do not post a reply. don't twist my post into something it is not. it doesn't matter how old you are. if you gather facts and the back story to this nobody will care how old you are. RESEARCH CHILDREN RESEARCH!
ReplyDeleteI did do my research. I understand whats going on, I just believe that people are blowing it out of proportion. I just say to go on with your life, and if anyone wants to make a big deal out of it, let them.
ReplyDeleteno randy, you do not know what is going on. you may THINK you know but you do not. you are an outsider in this situation because you misconstrued my post and made it something it was not. THAT to me means not understanding what this situation is and why it has reached this point
ReplyDeleteRandy, it's NOT just about NowLive and it's definitely not about the show. All Hammy is saying (and others) is TJ has cause a lot of damage and pulled some BS stunts.
ReplyDeleteIt was easy the first two or so times he messed up but now it's just sickening and insulting how he plays this community.
Randy, you only seem to know the very very tip of the iceberg, although you think you know the whole thing. Believe me, you don't.
ReplyDeleteA lot more things are handled behind the scenes than people would care to admit.
thank you chelsey took the words out of my mouth. this post is about getting rid of tj marsh and having people wake up to what an individual he is. and to enlighten those who did not know. and to show others how insulting it is to try and stop it and be ignored
ReplyDeleteNo, you guys don't understand. I'm addressing the people who don't know about everything else and are ONLY mad over the nowlive stunt. I mean, there are people who have every right to be angry, but some people who are reading this are getting angry just because of what they're reading. Now, I am pretty angry about what TJ has done in the past, and I don't want him to have anything to do with the LG community. What I am trying to say is some of these comments are only about TJ getting admin privileges.
ReplyDeleteRandy what you have just said directly contradicts all of the others posts. therefore, i will not justify it with a response .........good luck to everybody else who tries to make sense of it LOL
ReplyDelete*all of the others posts you have made* FIXED
ReplyDeleteI really don't know how it contradicts. I'm probably not making sense right now, anyways. It's 3 AM, and I'm probably not going to remember this anyway. It addressed both issues, I just didn't separate them. I know about everything TJ did, and I know it was bad. People have a right to be angry about that. Then their are people who don't know what is going on and are angry just because other people are angry. At least that's the feeling I'm getting from them.
ReplyDeleteI still don't feel a reason to be angry with the creators either way. I am a little angry with them, but I don't think it is any reason to leave the community and/or stop watching the show.
*sighs* ......*shakes her head and wanders off* ......... no comment
ReplyDeleteI have to say I have to laugh that people are bitching that they feel there is too much bitching on this blog! If you want butterflys and rainbows head over to insidelg15, oh wait...you can't post anonymously there. LOL
ReplyDeleteBahhh. Bahhhh.
ReplyDeleteBahhh. Bahhhh.
*grazes on some grass*
MEEP!
ReplyDeletehahahahaha nice Immo.
ReplyDeleteFirst of all I notice that everyone who was actually there when TJ pulled his crap before agrees. TJ shouldn't be around. I'm not sure why this is still being discussed. If it isn't dealt with, the rest of the people will agree with this on a later moment. Because he won't stop doing what he's been doing from the start.
ReplyDeleteAnd then the other issue that has been addressed in the comments and doesn't really belong here. The creators aren't randomly being bashed by most of the people. I myself always argument my complaints against them. I think most of the complaints arise from the general feeling that they are not fully aware of the community dynamics. I'm not gonna bother with giving examples here because they are scattered all over the place. Unfortunately this already made a lot of old timers leave. And the once that stay complain about it from time to time. It doesn't surprise me that the people heavily defending the creators are mostly the people that haven't been around for too long. Since the focus lately has mainly been on attracting new people as opposite to retaining the existing community. And that just feels like a stab in the back sometimes, because it's the original community that made them what they are now.
A few responses:
- The creators are people too, they have lives, they are too busy to go through every topic like you freaks do!!!!1111one!!one!!11eleven!
-- This is not about lives, this is about a business that should invest in their biggest assets. The community is one of them. And if they are too busy with other stuff themselves, they should invest in a community adviser. Someone who's job is to get the feel of the community, to know the ongoing issues and to advise the creators on things that involve the community. Either that or they should actively reach out to members of the community and let their opinion count in their decisions.
- This is just an internet series, don't take it so seriously!
-- You're wrong, for many people this is a community. A place where they have friends and spend time together. People grow fond of places like that and will care about what goes on within. You should realize that for a lot of people it is just about the community, some don't even watch the videos anymore. I myself see it more as an extra thing now. And clearly the way the creators are going they intent to still keep these people around as part of the experience. That means they deserve some attention too.
- You are just bashing the creators because you want to complain!
-- While I'm sure there are some people out there who do that, I know for certain that most of the people complain because they care about the product and the community. Which makes it extra painful to realize that this advise or criticism is often ignored.
My advise to many of you is to stick around for about a year before you start forming this extreme opinion on people. I love most of the people in this community, and I can assure you that they are good people that are just concerned about the way things are going.
I'm sorry for going completely off-topic here, but I felt like I needed to set the record straight.
Let's forget about the creators and other issues now and focus on the fact that TJ has always been causing madness wherever he goes and that it has to be dealt with asap!
Wow. TJ is powerful. Look at all the attention and commotion he has "allowed" to occur. ;)
ReplyDeleteI am thinking that if all the information out there is true --and proven by BK and co, then his IP address would have been banned. Which makes me think that none of us know ALL the details. Filing false police reports would get him in real-world trouble, much worse than the "virtual jail" that's being sought after here. If he provided proof that he's been robbed and that his laptop is gone, then why wouldn't he be given the benefit of the doubt by BK and co and allowed to remain quietly. This latest stunt is probably being dealt with BTS.
I think that to call it out is one thing, but threatening to leave the community is not the way to go. If we all left our real-world communities because of the "crazies" or the non-conformers, everyone would be living alone in caves and deserts... but I speak of this as if it's a "real" community when things like this prove it's not "real" but virtual because it takes a lot less effort to "move out". When things get good again, you come back but you might be remembered for being whiny, negative and not able to dealt with conflict.
But really, I come here because this is a fun show and a fun game. Sure, it's rarely played the way I'd want it to go, but it's fun and I'm curious as to how it'll go. I used to post regularly but haven't so much lately, but I'd never send out an "I'm done!" message because I don't like to burn bridges. I've been here a long time and know the public version of what TJ has done. I don't take it personally and choose to ignore it. I have confidence that the Lg admins (the REAL ones) will deal with it fairly because they know the full details.
I hope I haven't offended anyone. :)
niceanon (my first post here - am none of the above anons -- not that they are not nice too)
Chelsey said...
ReplyDeleteRandy, it's NOT just about NowLive and it's definitely not about the show. All Hammy is saying (and others) is TJ has cause a lot of damage and pulled some BS stunts.
Oh please... Damage? What damage?
The original poster likes to refer to anyone with a different opinion as "children". Anyone who claims that TJ's behaviour has "damaged" them is the child. Get off your computer chair and get out into the real world "children". A dose of some real life would show you how ridiculous all of this is.
Damage? How absolutely petty and spiteful this gang is.
FOTM
Hrm well one way I can think of how TJ has damaged people is when the death stuff was going down. Scarlette happened right before him. Many people adored her and SURPRISE she was some stupid stunt and never existed. Even people who didn't know her felt disgusted by how someone could do something so mean. It's taking the community's trust and twisting and playing with it for their amusement.
ReplyDeleteSo right there Mr. Anony, there is your damage.
And yknow what? I'm tired of people saying that we need to get outside and go have lives. A LOT of us have very hectic and busy busy lives. Hell, Hammy works her ASS off and comes home and logs on her computer to relax and unwind from her daily stress. I know a lot of people who do this in this community. Therefore, many people do not want to see this pathological liar infect their community and play with people's feelings.
Okay, now. It seems as if nothing is ever going to get solved. New people come in and think the "Ban TJ" group is overreacting and then the "Ban TJ" group gets consistently ignored.
*sigh* I really think there isn't more to say. To all the people who think they know what's going on and don't, please.... please just do not come on here to feed your desire for drama and defend TJ when you don't even know him or the circumstances.
Alright now, play nice. :)
My advise to many of you is to stick around for about a year before you start forming this extreme opinion on people.
ReplyDeleteI'm not trying to pick a fight here, but I really am curious... how do you know how long these people have been members?
I guess I can only speak for myself, but I've been here for nearly a year an a half, but have never been a regular poster.
Just because someone isn't posting frequently doesn't mean they aren't informed, and haven't been watching.
It takes active community involvement to know the entire story. It takes being in chat when TJ comes along once again to mess things up. You just feel the effect of that... same goes for the opinions on the creators. I know that if I don't know your name, YOU don't have a reason to judge ME. Because you don't know me.
ReplyDelete"I'm not trying to pick a fight here, but I really am curious... how do you know how long these people have been members?
ReplyDeleteI guess I can only speak for myself, but I've been here for nearly a year an a half, but have never been a regular poster.
Just because someone isn't posting frequently doesn't mean they aren't informed, and haven't been watching"
~~ thats exactly what matters. people who simply watch and do not get involved in the community come on here and think we are all crazy and overreacting when in all actuality we are trying to protect the community we have known and loved. you will never know unless you are in chat for another MARSH stunt. therefore, i suggest not stepping into a situation you were not involved in.
you will never know unless you are in chat for another MARSH stunt. therefore, i suggest not stepping into a situation you were not involved in.
ReplyDeleteI've been in chat several times, and actually was around chat for some of the TJ drama.
Again, my point is... just because I (or others) haven't been posting often, or don't sign into chat under familiar login names doesn't mean we haven't been there.